October 16, 2002


And speakiing of other interesting

And speakiing of other interesting things, I have seen more and more coverage of Dubya's "military service", and I use the term loosely, since the debate on the war reached it's max temperature, that of a baby's bottle. In that vein, I was wondering, since W has not seem fit to release all his service records, since he is obviously embarrassed about them, how about at least sharing an unabridged copy of his DD-214 with us? If I remember correctly, at about the same time he was separating from the military pre-1974, after performing his minimal service and doing it poorly, they were still putting Separation Program Numbers/Codes (scroll down) call it what you will, on everyone's DD-214's. Mysteriously, the Pentagon web page that used to have all of the codes and their specific meanings was taken down (info from an AOL homepage) right after the Five Thieves awarded the presidency to deserter-boy...

Follow-up
All references, even on other "private" pages, to SPN/SPC/SPD codes have "disappeared". Well there's a shocker. I'm sure that W's is not wonderful...or this would not all be gone.

If anyone has a copy of the list, let me know and I'll post it...I'm sure that Al Gore will have no trouble sharing his DD-214, just like John McCain did...
posted by Jo Fish on 10.16.02 at 07:27 PM





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I got all flush when I read this post (from skippy). I had a pretty bad attitude by the time I got shipped home from Vietnam. Told them to keep the last medal they were going to give me, and stuff like that. My CO wanted to punch me out for refusing that medal. So I just dug out my DD-214 and found that I had an SPN 411. Heart racing, I linked to the site from your post above to see if I was a subversive, but it only meant I was an overseas returnee entitled to an early out because I had only 150 days left on my two year committment. gw should be so lucky

 posted by: anonymous on 01.24.04 at 02:59 PM [permalink]

I too went looking for that DD214 from April 1970. Wasn't in the box I thought it would be in, but did find a Lamy ball point pen I thought was lost about 15 years ago.

I know I played it straight, though, and am not worried. Doubt Georgie-Peorgie can say the same.

Anonymous: glad you made it back. Hope you left the attitude in Long Binh.

 posted by: Johnboy on 01.24.04 at 04:20 PM [permalink]

I thought you might enjoy this protest, Jo.

 posted by: Kevin Hayden on 01.24.04 at 07:14 PM [permalink]

More of a question than a comment for anyone who may be able to help. I was drafted into the Army in '68. Did Basic, AIT, and was sent to Korea. While there I was asked to extend my tour by one month and get an early out by having the last 5 months of active duty dropped(actually its an early transfer to the USAR). I was told that the benefits would be the same as if I had completed my 2 yr. enlistment. My DD214 has the SPN 411(Overseas returnee) referred to in another post on this site. Ma. teacher retirement will allow me to buy back active duty time as indicated on my DD214 which is 19 mos. I believe that I should be entitled to the 'other' 5 mos. also. I have a DA137 from Korea which shows my one mo. extension and Special Orders #101 extract that shows ETS as Nov. 6, '70 which includes the full 2 yrs. I also have Special Orders 161 from POS Ft. Lewis which shows the # of yrs. at pay grade E-4 as 2yrs. I'm currently appealing their decision. I'm looking for Army Regs, U.S. Code, etc. from that era which will back up my claim. I have found modern-day code which allows up to 3 mos. early out with no loss of benefit from the full term of active service.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Bill Raymond
Beverly, Ma.

posted by: Bill Raymond on 10.02.04 at 12:05 PM [permalink]


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