Finally, we're getting down to what I've been saying for almost two years.

Failed in school.
Failed in business (3 times)
Failed in his first political run
Failed at making his own mark
Failed at being a real man until he had his "come to Jesus" moment, and that's apparently been thrown away, since he's now drinking again.

Failed at everything he tried, and only Daddy, Daddy's name, and Daddy's friends pulled him out of the mud, each time

This whole thing: the dead, the lost, wasted and stolen treasure, the heartbreak and agony, the hatreds that will torment the body politic for decades, all of it, was about proving to the Mommy figure that he was more of a man than Daddy.

I agree with Lurch, but I still think we should focus less on Bush's earlier failures and more on his current ones--although the former certainly seem to presage (and therefore justify discussion of) the latter, a lot of us on the 'religious left' (myself included) felt alienated from the anti-Bush crowd early on because we wanted to believe that someone can and could change his life around (Bush's religiosity was originally for me an asset and not a detriment)--and that, despite the evidence to the contrary, Bush could, with the right advisers, do right by his country. Now, of course, that tentative trust certainly appears misguided and foolish, but I'd rather take a chance on that than engage in either side of such a relentlessly bitter partisan political war of hyperbole practiced by pundits far and wide.

It's also why more and more I like Kerry--he's ambiguous but not a complete poll-itician like Clinton; he seems moral and decent without Bush's insane christo-fascist intractability. But this very ambiguity is what terrifies smaller minds (like the Brothers Hack, Sullivan, Jarvis, et al). Increasingly in this Coke or Pepsi political world, someone who even appears to imagine a third way on any issue is viewed as a dangerous, even monstrous, individual.

everyone is a liar except preznit drunky mcretard....and the equally retarded american electorate nods right along. it's hopeless.

The shrinks would have a hayday with this ENTIRE administration.....

Alderman on CNN, dismisses Carville's point as "this is all just chatter, not something serious..."

"Chatter" is used to define traffic volume of observed communication channels and when increased is the reason alert status is enacted.(As per the Clarke interview on 60 minutes...)Alderman dismissed "chatter" across the table in an argument.

Is this perhaps a freudian slip of people privvy to the INTEL workings of Bush's cabinet and in defense of such their only ARGUMENT is the exact SAME thing they said pre-9/11 when their focus was on Star Wars and Putin.

Think about it- his quickest reply under fire was the same response which was given repeatedly in the face of top advisors and security experts, O'Neil(FBI), Clarke, perhaps Tenet (who still refuses to completely condemn Bush since he knows it would lead to his dismissal).

Plead the 5th, the Bush/Nader ticket motto for '04.

As for Bush and finding jesus, give him the cell next to Jesus, or next to Shugg Knight, or just refurbish Alcatraz and put the whole cabinet there including their godfather Kissinger.

Rove has a foreign smear man going full bore on FOX.

I'm at the Kerry blog and a troll is here...Mansoor Ijaz challenging Richard Clarke ( http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=15432 )
Mansoor Ijaz challenging Richard Clarke

"Let me tell the American people this morning in no uncertain terms, I was personally asked to brief Condoleezza Rice's deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley on exactly what had gone wrong in the previous efforts to get bin Laden out of the Sudan, to get the terrorism data out of the Sudan, which I negotiated the offer for, to get bin Laden out of Afghanistan in the spring and summer of 2000, (let me tell the people...sounds like an outsider...)

, using at Abu Dhabi Royal Family as a proxy to get him out on an extradition offer, and in each case of things that were involved in the Clinton administration, Richard Clarke himself stepped in and blocked the efforts that were being made over and over and over again.

. The embassy bombings in 1998 may not have happened if Richard Clarke had not gone to Sandy Berger in October of 1997 and told him to reverse the decision, to go into the Sudan and get the terrorism data out. This is absolutely disingenuous; it comes very close to flat-out lying, and I challenge Richard Clarke right here and right now, anywhere, any time, on any television show, I will sit next to him or opposite him and let him bring out the facts of what he's saying and let's find out what the truth is.'

(posted by Scott at johnkerry.com)
Reposted from the O'Reilly thread:

Back in 1996 Osama bin Laden was living in Sudan, a notorious sponsor of international terrorism. Because of their terrorist tendancies, the United States had a trade embargo with Sudan. A freelancer named Mansoor Ijaz (if the name sounds at all familiar I'll explain what happened to him at the end of this) came to the Clinton White House claiming to be working for the Sudanese Government. He claimed that Sudan was willing to hand over Osama bin laden.

He met with former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and it didn't take long to figure out this guy was a phoney. Ijaz was trying to get the embargo and trade restrictions on Sudan lifted, because he had investments in Sudanese Oil. Ignoring Ijaz, the Clinton White House tried everything they could to convince the Sudanese government to hand over Osama bin Laden. Sudan wouldn't bite, though they would later kick him out of the country.

Mansoor Ijaz later got a job as a foreign affairs correspondent with Fox News Channel. Happy ending for everyone involved except the three thousand victims of 9-11, America in general, and innocent civilians who were killed in the wars happening because of 9-11.

My reply...
So a non-citizen had access to the upper reaches of the white house and cabinet? Sounds like a Karl Rove smear, he even gave him info from the folder Kindalazy Ricin ignored on her desk...

ZZZZZzzzzz...... try again Bush league we're onto your tactics.
The man has our security documents to back him up? Sounds like a Rove plant.

PROCEDURAL matters not being honored, sounds like the standard plant.

Why are you not giving previous examples of how we gave information to foreigners to later present in the news? It is not standard policy.

Perhaps someone who is reg here could attest to better examples of outsiders having inside information so readily available and it not be a plant.
Procedure would be never give such information away to be used against if acted on covertly or not at all... am i correct in this point?

There's seem to be at least a small wave of this kind of trolling going on. Calpundit frequently has his hands full. They're kinda clever, using a bit of truth, real events with different dates, middle eastern names that admittedly most of us have difficult time keeping track of. Eschaton gets a few, but his following shoots them down with no mercy.
It may be the growing grassroots power of progressive blogs and some recent press stories about blogs. You guys with comment sections are easy targets. Eric Alterman posts his hate mail occassionally; I think they write immediately after drinking the kool-aid.
I like this blog, frequently it expresses the near rage I feel about the wing-nuttery and the comments are great. haven't seen Shag
latlely. Wish I could write like Murder.

There's seem to be at least a small wave of this kind of trolling going on. Calpundit frequently has his hands full. They're kinda clever, using a bit of truth, real events with different dates, middle eastern names that admittedly most of us have difficult time keeping track of. Eschaton gets a few, but his following shoots them down with no mercy.
It may be the growing grassroots power of progressive blogs and some recent press stories about blogs. You guys with comment sections are easy targets. Eric Alterman posts his hate mail occassionally; I think they write immediately after drinking the kool-aid.
I like this blog, frequently it expresses the near rage I feel about the wing-nuttery and the comments are great. haven't seen Shag
latlely. Wish I could write like Murder.

The credit goes to the blogs, jo, kos, atrios, are the people who make a good case. I recommend these blogs all of the time. Calpundit is a moderate republican, to troll him just shows what happens when the farmer gets into the barnyard.

The trolls run around like chickens(hawks) with their heads cut off...

The missile strike in Oilraq that was mentioned here before as a WMD plant occurred again this moring in Bagdhad, probably to off any non-embedded reproters or foreign news services that opposed the war on terra or didn't pull the line...

Meanwhile jo will stoke up the coals on this tidy bit of info ...Mondo Washington
by James Ridgeway
Maybe He Got Grounded
A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard
March 24 - 30, 2004 from The Nation.

PS-sorry to overblog jo, but Rummy said he was not informed of hijacked planes as missiles, further proof of incompetance of Condie and the Bush communications breakdowns pre 9-11.

The infighting and fingerpointing is about to begin, he said she did/didn't say... you think Rove is dirty to outsiders, this is like a phillipine cockfight with one-nut Roosters... maybe the WWF commish should host the first debate...

Couple things:

1. If you think Bush is a "head case," read a biography of his "brain," Karl Rove, who found out at age 14 that the man he thought was his father wasn't, when the guy left him and his mother high and dry. There is a very good bio of Rove over at The Guardian (www.guardian.co.uk), search "Karl Rove" and it will pop right up. You read it and you have no doubts at all about why this guy does what he does to the world - he's "making it pay." Also, he goes back in political dirty tricks to his first paid job was working for Donald Segretti on Nixon's dity tricks squad in 1972. Almost got himself investigated for going around the country talking to College Republican groups about how to do their own "dirty tricks." And then used dirty tricks to take over the College Republican organization (despite the fact he dropped out of college in the middle of his first freshman semester) in 1974, which was when he got "noticed" in national politics. This guy has been 30 years learning to be the toad he is (actually longer than that, he goes back to age 18 when he pulled his first political dirty trick).

2. A good way to avoid trolls on the comment pages is to use the system used at DailyKos. You register, it takes 48 hours to get your sign-on and password, then it takes 24 hours before you can post. You can't just start posting "all heated up". Then Mojo (the algorithm) watches you - you "do good" in ratings, you get to "rate" posts after you have been there awhile. Troll posts get spotted real fast by people who have demonstrated they are "trusted users" (i.e., "responsible types") and when several raters rate it a troll post, it disappears. As a friend of mine said, the system wants you to be a responsible user and promotes responsible participation.

Works for me.

Great comment in a letter to the editor of the LA Times:

"Churchill and Bush can both be considered wartime leaders, just as Seabiscuit and Mr. Ed were both horses."

The best way they half-truth and distort is how the chalabi WMD lies were inserted into media, change one of the three names of a source, not the entire name, so you avoid actual libel, and lie away, then use another website you run to "verify" it...

Probably is how Plaime was outed, said Valerie Plumb or Plume or Plime and of course Novack knew who it really was.

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