November 18, 2004


Close to home, in more ways than one

I read this story first on-line, I can't remember where (it was the NYT), and this caught my eye:

Tensions are flaring between the Army and some of its veterans, who say they are surprised and confused about their obligations and unsure where to turn.

"I consider myself a civilian," said Rick Howell, a major from Tuscaloosa, Ala., who said he thought he had left the Army behind in 1997 after more than a decade flying helicopters. "I've done my time. I've got a brand new baby and a wife, and I haven't touched the controls of an aircraft in seven years. I'm 47 years old. How could they be calling me? How could they even want me?"

The difference between me and Rick Howell is our branch of service and two years and that I still fly civilian so I'm at least somewhat "current". I guess that I'll be watching for that letter when they run out of Army guys and start on "other service" guys. Remember Anchor Pools? Anyone wanna start a "Call-up Pool"? or would that be really bad form?

And I was thinking about applying to Medical School, which now might be in the really Bad Idea Category.

posted by Jo Fish on 11.18.04 at 01:29 AM





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Yah know, they should just do the damn draft and get it over with already. Stop screwing around with some peoples lives and do it across the board. But I expect to see more of these conflicts. We've somehow got 170K over there now, I want to know where the extra 20-30K came from and when they showed up.

posted by: VJ on 11.18.04 at 02:54 AM [permalink]



Who gives a fuck about form, Jo. Start the pool.

Get a lawyer. Pumpkin head (Matthews) had another guy on that beat them at their game out of I believe NY. If you get the letter, and show up unrepresented, the judge will tell you to pack your shit.

The way I kinda figger it, most of what I know is outdated and been replaced quite some time ago now. Aircraft, weapons systems, even the VIDS/MAFS have been done on a computer for I hear better than 10 years now. (I, by MOS was maintenance admin, but it took 2+ years to get a school so I learned how to wrench and be a Crew Chief).
'N' model Hueys are now 'Z' models - a completely unique aircraft - except for shape. I think the XMSN is the same, modified to hold the new engine pac.

If they even think of wanting me as a grunt, they're more desperate than I thought.

I wonder what they would do about the injections I have to take everyday for the Rheumatoid Arthritis? If I stop taking them, within 10-12 days, I begin flares again... fever, the shits, hands and feet swell to 2-3x their normal size. It's hard enough to stand for more than a couple hour at a time now. LOL

You'd think I would be a 'liability'.

I have my lawyer already. I strongly suggest everyone else do the same. That is, unless you don't want to go play in the sandbox.

posted by: Barndog on 11.18.04 at 06:50 AM [permalink]



My little brother is 36, did 12 years in the Reserves (helicopters, then telecom/computers), and has now been out of the Guard nearly 6 years. He was never active duty or deployed, and just missed Gulf War I.

I've been trying not to scare Mom and the rest of the family, but I fully expect him to get a letter in the next 12 months, if only a locator/"just saying hi... how's your back?"

posted by: jeff on 11.18.04 at 09:13 AM [permalink]



Things use to get hairy when we had desk jockeys on the flight deck pulling their minimum hours once a quarter. Going into a hot LZ with a guy who had a 7 year break is begging for a busted bird.

This is stupid on so many levels. Rummy just doesn't get it: there is a reason for military specialty codes, the military has very specialized jobs. You can't hand a rifle to a tanker and them him he's an infantryman, you have to train for the position.

posted by: Bryan on 11.18.04 at 12:36 PM [permalink]



Jo, not that I want to scare you but...

When your obligated term of "service" in the IRR expired did you resign your commission?

I don't know about the enlisteds, but when an active duty USNR officer went IRR, s/he didn't get discharged automatically, but had to forward a letter up the chain of command resigning her/his commission. Discharge from the IRR was effective on acceptance of the resignation.

I'm worried that quite a few of these IRRs being called up may be hosed, especially if they're officers. They may have been thinking that once their obligated service expired they'd become full civilians again. 'tain't necessarily so....

And yes, for the record, I submitted my letter resigning my commission--on the day after my IRR obligation expired. Mama din't raise no fool.

:-)

posted by: Len Cleavelin on 11.18.04 at 01:00 PM [permalink]



Ya thinnk they'd want a 42 year old ex-Forward Air Controller with a bum hip? Ha!

posted by: The Fixer on 11.18.04 at 01:54 PM [permalink]



Y' know, I never won an anchor pool. I always figured they were rigged. But even after retiring as enlisted with official retirement documents in hand (went over 30 three years ago), I don't want to get in on a Call-Up Pool. I'd probably win and get called up - because it's rigged!

No, I'll just keep my head down.

BTW, Hi, Len.

posted by: Al Hedstrom on 11.18.04 at 11:52 PM [permalink]



I have been reading you for a year or more, but until I read this post I thought you were a Veteran Democrat, sorta like Robery Byrd. Now I see that you are a Democrat who is also a Veteran. Silly me!

posted by: Brenda Helverson on 11.19.04 at 10:08 AM [permalink]



Just tell them you have "other priorities" (Hey, it worked for Cheney!)...or that you need to work on the political campaign of one of your father's buddies in another state--and then disappear for 13 months like our Fearless Leader.

posted by: "Fair and Balanced" Dave on 11.19.04 at 01:23 PM [permalink]



Now's the time to apply to Harvard's Business School. I'm sure arrangments could be made like they made for Duh-W.

posted by: Marine's Girl on 11.20.04 at 02:41 AM [permalink]



Jo, I'd stay out of med school until Chimpy McDumya is out. . . I received a call up notice during the run up to the first Gulf War. I also found out that the Navy 'forgot' to discharge me when my inactive time was up in '86, and I didn't receive an official discharge from IRR until 2002. Heck, I could have served 20 years or more and *retired* before then :-).

I was attending UALR in 1990, and planning on getting married. The Navy sent a letter to my then girlfriend's house, and actually called there (I'd never used that address for a home address before we married). Seems that they keep a little better tabs on us than we thought.

Heck, I was astonished at the weaponry and firepower of the first Gulf War. I'd watch some of the dog and pony show of the air war, and think, "Man, we didn't even *dream* of this stuff when I was in."

I've developed diabetes and neuropathy in the past few years, so I'd be pretty useless. I have days I can't feel my feet or hands. Hard to load a rifle under fire when you have to look to see where your hands are :-(.

posted by: smaug on 11.20.04 at 08:10 AM [permalink]






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