August 13, 2005


...riddle me this...

All over wingnut blogtopia, there is a sentence that in some form reads like this: "if we pull out now, then all the (fill in the daily number here) deaths of American soldiers will have been for naught and will have been meaningless".

OK. Fine. Now, within a year as the midterm elections ramp up, and the republicans anxious to keep their consolidated hold on the government as they destroy the republic will begin to "bring home the troops". If the artifically-constructed country that is Iraq falls into chaos as Operation Mid-Term Retreat goes forward and reaches it's conclusion with the Iraqis kicking the US Embassy out a la their mentors to the East, how will any more deaths than the number today be "more meaningful".

I really would like an answer, and not a stupid "Love and trust Beloved Leader" answer, because any answer which includes his lying ass is 99.99% unadulerated horseshit. How are any more deaths from this war, based on lies and deceit, more meaningful, when they never had to happen in the first place? Iraq was no threat to the United States...ever.

Just askin'.

posted by Jo Fish on 08.13.05 at 10:34 AM





Comments:

As a Veteran from the PGW, my heart really goes out to all of you serving over there now. I was made aware of why we were sent there in the beginning and that was why when the opportunity came for me to leave the military, I did.

I find it appauling that republican admistrations always seem to create a war when in office, and it is the poor and working class that suffers the loses of loved ones.

However, I must give these administrations credit, they are "Masters of Illusions" when it come to pulling the wool over the eyes of the citizens in this country.

They can sell fire to the Devil himself!

Anyway, no one would belive this, but if they just thought about it for a moment it may at least make some think beyond the rhetoric coming from Washington. If there was NO Oil in Iraq, do you really think our troops would be there? Keep in mind that our President and Vice President have a history of building their wealth from the oil industry...so now are we so duped to think that "OIL" has nothing to do with our military presence there?

posted by: G.K. Taylor on 08.13.05 at 11:49 AM [permalink]



"Love and trust beloved leader."

That's what they want people to do; that is, check your brain at the door and trust Gesus George. This neocon experiment has gone awry; not what the neocons had in mind. We have hand delivered Iraq to Iran as its puppet state. That's not what the neo-crazies had planned when they hijacked U.S. foreign policy on 9/11 (acturally they hijacked it before 9/11; 9/11 was the excuse to execute it that they had been wishing for--and got it).

posted by: mando on 08.13.05 at 01:00 PM [permalink]



The Beginning of a Turn Around in the Demising input of our Government_ will have to start at the Lower Levels Again, The Election in Cincinnati Ohio for Mayor is one Starting Point of many to come_
Please Review these inputs & Apply Where needed Thank You.

Reece Web

Some of you know me & some of you do not...
i'm Trying to Encourage as quick & as many as i can to Promote any efforts they feel comfortable in doing to assit in this "MOST Serious Matter for the City of Cincinnati...

Vice Mayor Alicia Reece "NEEDS & DESERVES" the support to Walk into the Mayors seat with Ease..
In light of the many past occurs in our political arena/ The Unexpected's of demise can well sure be expected _Even in this matter/ She's fighting for the Seat with the most Qualified Credentials of either of her counter parts/ Being Vice Mayor [ Speaks that part for itself ].

Others have means to Deny or Citizens into the our Well Deserved Position in this City..
"ECONOMIC INCLUSION & A CIVILIZED EXISTENCE"

Not one of those listed along side "Vice Mayor Alicia Reece" can Honestly say they've fought unlimited hours to seek to achieve this...

Our Waits [after the fact] are Frustrating/ Many See that in effect in this 2005 existence in America.

So Spread the word/ Seek the sources to Donate/ $1.00 begins to mount when it's 100,000 giving it so to speak / so if 10,000 give $3.00 her Request for the Needed is well on the way to being met...
By August the 24 TH 2005_15 Days or so from this Sending is the Needed Request _ to Capture those as need to be in a "Political Arena".

"ONE MORE TRY FOR $3.00"
ASAP is well worth the Transfer of a Demised Existence & you can say you played a part..

Thank -you
& i'm sending Mine in ASAP

Mr. Charles*Walker

Unity has to Begin again/ & i do believe This is one way to Try to Assist one that's Near the
Position to BE A CHANGE for the Better..

"THINK POSITIVE"
PRAY POSITION
PAY THE NEED.

-----------------
Forwarded Message:
Subj: Vice Mayor Alicia Reece Leads in Mayoral Poll
Date: 8/9/2005 10:54:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
From: reeceformayor@fuse.net
To: hrdpwr@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)


VICE MAYOR ALICIA REECE LEADS IN POLL

Great news for the Reece For Mayor campaign. Today our campaign was informed by WCPO Channel 9 TV news that in a poll they conducted by Survey USA, our campaign is leading the pack of 6 candidates. The poll shows us leading with 27% of the vote. The poll also shows that we are strong among women, African Americans, and young voters.

After only being in the race since, March 6th, we have come a long way from being the under dog. We must build on this momentum. We must execute and we must raise an additional $30,000 by August 24th so that we can get our message out and turn out our voters in the primary. With your help, we will win not only in September but in November. That is why I am asking for you to put in the extra mile over these next 36 days. I need you to send in your checks and have your friends and family send in theirs, make phone calls, attend festivals, join our street corner teams, go door to door with us, and send out e-mails. Contact Vonna at our campaign HQ by e-mail or at(513) 731-3100 to sign up today.

The poll shows we can win and with your help we will win!

Thanks again,

Alicia


Cincinnati Mayoral Primary 8/2/2005
Reece 27%
Pepper 25%
Mallory 23%
Winburn 13%
Other/Undecided 12%
Data Collected 7/30/05 - 8/1/05
Geography City of Cincinnati
Sample Population 583 Likely Voters
Margin of Error 4.1%
Client WCPO-TV Cincinnati

Visit: http://www.surveyusa.com/currentelectionpolls.html for more information
www.aliciareece.org

Please make all checks payable to Committee for Alicia Reece, 2081 Seymour Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio.45237

This e-mail is paid for by Committee for Alicia Reece, John Bibby, Treasurer.


WKRC 12 Cincinnati - August Greenwich Events

Best to you Today Alicia.

i had some Key Questions to add to those already in [ most likely] for this upcoming Mayor's debate.

As i Guess the Deadline has already exceeded the point set to be included 8/5/05 5:00 PM_
My first ever knowing of Such came through to me in the Herald, Which isn't Delivered until the Date Past the Deadline & if it was posted in an earlier edition of the Herald?
"I Missed it & it wasn't as Avaliable"

( Just this moment _ an E-Mail clicked in & the Subject: Reads "Vice Mayor Alicia Reece Leads..
in Mayoral Poll"
Well Expected & Deserved is my comment for now of that.

I Sense a no Show of some at this Greenwich Event [ of the Candidates ].

As Should they Show in full force 'I Hope the Question is asked..." Seeing as ALL have had their taste of the Politics Seats in one form or another"

Question IS: What Proposals have you[ personally] made in the past, That were Accepted[ won the votes] & Still are in effect Today..."In a Change for the Better for Citizens of Cincinnati?

Another Question of the KEY issue of Crime elimination in the City of Cincinnati:

Alicia Reece's input into such speaks for itself_She was the Face seen to answer the Questions each time something occurred 9 x out of 10/ She was the one Voice noted to be heard for the past 6 years concerning this matter_
Pepper Chaired this "Law Committee" & Has done little more than ...Allow Same issues to continue in a Status Quo_ With continued dependence on a CPD of...Blu-Flu & Be Paid as you do or Not do...
So to speak...

~PEPPER~
As losses of LIFE Mounted _ He wasn't the person Outraged in a Voice to be heard.
Pepper hasn't done Very much to Change matters for the Better for citizens of Cincinnati, in the Manner of Crime control as Any Sent proposal to Effect Such in a Stern & Changing manner of importance/ No EXTRA Policing was demanded/ No Demands For an Arrest..No public offers in his NAME of Found Results of Solving any of the Murders/ He's Basiclly ignored the whole matter.

~MALLORY~
Very little was stated of him towards these matters from his post in the Senate..
He's been very distant from the position on Crime & i see ZERO in a way of having the Formula to even Begin a Change of direction for Citizens to feel a sense of Renewed PEACE..
In ANY AREA for Cincinnati.

~WINBURN~

Needs to Seek the "Clause of Separation of Church & State"
[ Considering "HE'S" Accepted the Anointing to deliver the WORD ]
Although he tries to Downgrade it on his "OWN" accord & Wording to be in freedom to play Politics,
and the Sad part about it [ He IS playing ].
~A Sad Black Man Power Seeker_For Selfish Gains~
His Duration of Council Seat Provoked some of the most Meaningless efforts, to place Tax Payer dollars/ Of which the Republican Party is so Good at...
there isn't any Change in his Efforts of Apply to Better a condition here in the City of Cincinnati/ He Raises Awareness of something _That don't need to be Raised & introduces "Money costing" Avenues that do little to Resolve the Problem & the Crime is the After Effects of a "Bigger Problem"_
A Question: For ALL Council Members would be, "Have you Yourself Ever been Convicted/ Charged or Assumed before a Court of Law to be the Suspect in a Criminal infraction in your Life Time_
Since your Stance is to Prevent Crime & What was the infraction?


~REECE~

The Most Sane Choice for Citizens of Cincinnati,
To Be in a position to Correct the Serious matters at hand, with an interest for the People...
"ALL PEOPLE"
"THE POWER PEOPLE , As Well as the people being subjected unjustly by Straw Bosses of the True Power of which / Pepper & Mallory & Winburn/ Would ultimatlly become/ Alicia is not like that..
That has been Proven/ Not Expected or depending on Support from outside Sources in Power that be
Whom have the Same intent of doing as "STAMPED for Decades".

WE WANT ALL CITIZENS IN CINCINNATI
To FEEL AS CITIZENS OF CINCINNATI
&
In Fact be included in the Improvement of
Her Success.

by Charles Walker

Publish it if you wish Alicia or Continue your Humble & Stern Method of worth.


Religion embroils mayoral contest

These Words of a Leader of a Select few persons he "Pastors & of Which i was One Led to join also at one time/ But Never Fell under the "Spell i watched him place many under in his manipulation of the "Living Word of GOD'.

The Word of God "IS" & "IS" Before, This Man or Me_ & "IS" After This man & Me..

Twisted Expects added between the written words of the Bible gave reasons for slaves to be handled in Slavery_ "ONE [ & i'll only give you one ] Of This man spoken of in This editorial_ He had members of his congregation profess a covenate to pay & Equated it as the covenate between them & God to pay unto his Church when it was[ at that time ] "NEW under the Mortgage & Pre Added structure or his "Newly Aquired Home on the corner[ at that time some 11 years or so ago...

He placed many of those people in Debt [ all prior to my coming_& i never did do it ] As they sought to pay this "Covenate/ They sold homes & moved into Apartments, Unpaid Tuitions for their Childrens College, some didn't Eat well..ETC, ETC, Etc [ imagine & it was done... as he Badgered them from time to time / From the Pulpit with Full Church Visitors & all...Requested they Stand [ those Still owing ] and He Read "Malachi 3: 8-12" & Added his own Words to it & one other about the Covenate being Made between God & a Person_ Mind you "CHRIST" Died to Remove the Burden of ANY Debt one could ever offer unto God again/ "Save/ Except-[ as far as i'm concerned, for the most part ] Praise & Thanks Givings & Charity/Love, one to another...Seek ye First the Kingdom of God & All else shall be added unto you.

Well there came a time some 2-3 years after my 1st attendance there, which i was led by the Holy Spirit in my initial coming & remained as it Flowed continually through many/many offered rehoteric aspects of that stay_ But a time came when the "Covenate lift was placed into order & a reason given for such & all seperate envelopes were Asked to be removed from their holders behind each chair in the Church & torn into pieces...Which ended that era of that & was immediatly replaced with something else..."Much was fun there / But very little was actually God, By Gods Self.

All said to Say: The reason for separation of Church & State, is due to much of States laws are Equated with Gods Laws_ But through & BECAUSE of: The Various Religions of Mankind, it would become a confused matter indeed..

His Statement of ( God wants Christians in Politics/ N----ah please ) That would play Troubled times for the Hindu/Muslims/Jewish/Arabs/Isralites/Etc-Etc in any Form to Obey State & or City laws.

Thus the Reason for Seperation & As well as one Can't be discriminated "FROM the position due to a fact of their Religion [ By the State ] David Duke 'Sad to Say" a Proffesed Athiest made it in.

God will Stand long after / Man has Fell.

Man needs God
&
Will never be the other way around.

God has "NO desire for your placement into any government aspect of life, But God will allow..
What so ever You Choose & will Give you "JUST AS YOU ASK FOR"...

For GOD KNOWS_At an appointed time, You will-WILL, W/O a doubt have to Answer for each & every request & Decide & Choice and it will be recalled in "That time" as if it were REAL time.

With GOD doing the Grading on "The Finals.

Charles * Walker

posted by: Charles on 08.13.05 at 02:14 PM [permalink]



Same tired argument we witnessed three decades ago. When we finally do leave Iraq, with only negatives to show for it, the huge wave of national guilt will be assuaged by blaming the damn liberal war-protesters. If only we'd gotten 100% on board the entire time, then magically, things would have worked out.

What the hell is that tripe above me, by the by?


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I have no idea, they posted like three times, but don't eliminate commenters because they are idiots or freepi or republicans (kind of all the same, right?

Happy Saturday!

--JF

posted by: Grotesqueticle on 08.13.05 at 03:27 PM [permalink]



"if we pull out now, then all the (fill in the daily number here) deaths of American soldiers will have been for naught and will have been meaningless"."

Hey Jo "where are you going with that gun in your hands". No wait a minute that was Jimi's question. Your question and mine had to do with the the predictable clusterfuck that was and is the War on Iraq.

One day we will have a wall. It will not get more meaningful because we have added hundreds or thousands of new names beyond the ones we have already committed. "Who will be the last man to die for a mistake?"

posted by: Bruce Webb on 08.13.05 at 09:30 PM [permalink]



If we pull out later, then all the deaths of American soldiers between now and the time we pull out will have been for naught and will have been meaningless.

posted by: BroD on 08.14.05 at 09:10 AM [permalink]



Reps wanna triangulate AWOL, and they'll all be in unison when he ignores steps to stop the next 9-11, like the letters they released to try and slime Richard Clarke, yet the warnings he sent with inquiries as to why then NSA Condi Rice took no action on hard evidence is being ignored.

Have the feeling some spooks will let the deal be known soon...

posted by: Mr.Murder on 08.14.05 at 01:10 PM [permalink]



over 1500 dead now. How many wounded, maimed, and crippled physically? How many are hurting inside where the military docs can't/won't see, since they need every body they can send because the chickenhawks and yellow elephants can't find the spine to stand up for their glorious leader and his administration's irresponsible actions?

All those dead soldiers for nothing but lies.

I hope we lose in Iraq and Mr. Bush gets the cell next to Slobodan Milosevic in the Hague. War criminal, lied to Congress, the Nation, the world. Some leader we got here.

posted by: MMichaelAK on 08.17.05 at 04:41 PM [permalink]






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