July 19, 2006


O-Sprey me with pork...it feels so good

So the V-22 went to Farnborough. Seems that Bell wants to sell that POS to other governments to offset the cost of it's development and production, but at about 70 million a copy there are not too many governments who are going to snap up a fleet of them.

The first squadron of V-22's is scheduled to be deployed next fall and, at the moment, the Marines have been promised 360 of these planes. At a cost of about $70 million each — the total program cost is $49 billion - the Osprey is one of the Marines' most expensive weapons. The Marines have staked their future on this craft, and have about 40 flying today at various American bases, but none overseas or in combat.
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Michael A. Redenbaugh, chief executive of Bell Helicopter, said his company was working with the Marines to try to reduce the cost to around $58 million a plane, and he predicted that it could be done in four years. But for countries whose defense budgets are only a fraction of the Pentagon’s, even $58 million can be a high price for a single plane.
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The Marine Corps had made a big show of announcing it would fly two Ospreys over the Atlantic to arrive before the show - for the first time - to demonstrate its long-range capability. But, on the way over, one of the planes developed engine problems in bad weather and made an unplanned landing in Iceland, where a $2 million engine was replaced before it could continue on its way.
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One of its biggest critics has been Vice President Dick Cheney, who tried to kill the program in the late 1980’s when he was secretary of defense. But his attempts were rebuffed in Congress, where Bell Helicopter and Boeing led a lobbying effort that kept the program alive. Work on the V-22 is spread over 40 states and 200 Congressional districts, giving it powerful grass-roots support.

Besides its safety record, a big criticism of the plane is its high cost. It will largely replace the CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters, which date back to the Vietnam era but cost one-quarter the price of the Osprey.
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"We'll pay a little more, but we'll get a heck of a lot," Gen. John G. Castellaw said at the news conference. "The Marine Corps has a lot of wants and needs, but not a lot of money. It's up to me to balance out wants and needs of the Marine Corps with available resources and I think we can do it."

Being a little familiar with the V-22 and it's history as well as the CH-46, I have to say that the Marines have bought a pig in a poke, IMHO. The Osprey is a sexy craft, no doubt about it, but what it's really going to do for the Marines is give them a bunch of rotary-wing guys who can put non-centerline thrust multiengine turbine time on their airline applications.

The argument that the Osprey will be a good and viable replacement for the 46 is silly, if you look at the service record of the Sea Knight. Not only was the venerable CH-46 used by both the Navy and the Marine Corps, it's managed to remain in service for 40+ years, a tribute to some solid engineering and easy, accessible maintenance.

Had the Marine Corps (and Navy) chosen to update the Sea Knight airframe and invest in more research in rotary wing dynamics for things like the Advancing Blade Concept (ABC) which showed promise in overcoming the forward-speed limitations of all helicopter, the problemmatic Osprey might have died as a fledging in it's nest at Boeing/Bell.

Oh, and I love General Castellaw's remark "We'll pay a little more, but we'll get a heck of a lot" ... a little more than what? That's some serious inside-the-Pentagram thinking there folks. Back the future again, I wonder if the Osprey will have $400 milspec toilet seats/relief tubes?

posted by Jo Fish on 07.19.06 at 07:30 PM





Comments:

If this thing is damn wonderful, how come the replacement for Marine 1 is a Westland 101 (helicopter). The down wash on this thing makes rope egress nearly impossible. There is a terrible blindspot for gun coverage. Bell retracting this thing as a candidate for the new AF CSAR for fear of letting its failings out.

posted by: bob R on 07.20.06 at 09:47 AM [permalink]



Boy, wouldn't it be nice to have the V-22 in service right now as the new Marine 1? Of course, after a major catastrophe it would probably be yanked from service like it should be. I wonder how many Bell execs have taken any flights in this POS? My guess is none since they know its safety record. Better to let Marines die than multi-billion dollar net worth executives die. Right?

posted by: bulldog on 07.20.06 at 12:26 PM [permalink]



Well, this turkey is Curt Weldon's baby, there's a big plant in his district, right along the Delaware river, and Weldon has kept it from being killed off a few times now.

With any luck, Curt will be out the door in November (he's up against a former admiral), and perhaps then sanity can prevail.

Santorum was bloviating about "islamic fascists" just the other day. Yeah, right, Ricky, they're fascist because they're extremely nationalistic, militaristic, authoritarian, do their best to shut down any criticism, and have government and business in a tight embrace with one another. Uh huh. Sounds like Ricky knows what that's all about. An inside track, one might say.

This PA resident is sure hoping that Moron Rick and Bumbler Curt will both be looking for work come early November. It's *way* past time.

posted by: Satan luvvs Repugs on 07.21.06 at 08:54 AM [permalink]



The new Ch-47K model by far out weighs any of the new Tilt Rotor Wing AC, I thinkthe V-22 is just a new toy for the "stars" to play with.

posted by: Jim on 07.21.06 at 01:44 PM [permalink]



I'm going to go against the tide of Osprey-bashing going on here. As an ex-amphib sailor, I've run lots of beach assaults. The capabilities that the Osprey brings to the table really are big benefits - particularly the ability to transit long distances at high speeds. It makes the amphibious problem significantly easier to get the big deck way, way, out of the way of everyone else - both for its own defense and to clear the waterspace closer to the beach.

My $.02: assuming the safety concerns have been addressed (I know, a big if), this bird is expensive but worth it.

Sean

posted by: Sean Peters on 07.23.06 at 10:28 AM [permalink]



That was one of the reasons why the Osprey was brought to the table as a replacement for the CH-46s and CH-53s: its ability to go faster and fly farther than either of those two birds. However, the safety issues and loss of life already attached to this project leave one thinking that the Pentagon and defense contractors are more worried about the money they have invested than in the lives that are most certain to be lost as more of these go out to Marine squadrons around the world.

I do agree with you that if safety and the cost-per-unit were not issues, it's not a bad idea.

posted by: Bulldog on 07.24.06 at 01:43 AM [permalink]






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